[PF] Is it time to get into Pathfinder?

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Starfinder was released August 2017, so must've been finalised several months before then to have it printed and shipped. The playtest for Pathfinder arrived a year later. They probably had some ideas knocking around or some early drafts but getting upset that a game released 2 years ago is not based on one that hasn't been released yet seems a bit bizarre and unreasonable.
Pathfinder was first published in 2008, so that is over 10 years and surely plans for a new edition were discussed multiple times during that period. Starfinder tested a few rules changes like Stamina instead of just regular Hit Points from Pathfinder and D&D 3rd Edition.

Basically, Paizo seems to have been so desperate to make money with something new, rushed out Starfinder to temporarily boost income, this turned successful, then returned to the proper work of a new edition Pathfinder 2e and probably a Starfinder 2e launch after that.
 
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Nah, I'd say it's perfectly fine if you like Pathfinder levels of crunch, the setting however feels a bit bland and generic.
What hadn't occurred to me and thus came as a surprise is that Starfinder is Pathfinder in space, in the same way that 40k is Warhammer in space. I was expecting Alternity.
 
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What hadn't occurred to me and thus came as a surprise is that Starfinder is Pathfinder in space, in the same way that 40k is Warhammer in space. I was expecting Alternity.
Yes it’s definitely Pathfinder in Space (which I think is quite a fun idea particular when they juxtapose modern/future society ideas with fantasy species etc). I know of one Kickstarted project which began to do Pathfinder-based Sci Fi before SF was announced, then said they’d pivot to being a SF setting, then switched back when SF’s space fantasy approach became clear. I think it makes sense to have different d20ish approaches for sci-fi and for SF’s hybrid.
 
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Yes it’s definitely Pathfinder in Space (which I think is quite a fun idea particular when they juxtapose modern/future society ideas with fantasy species etc). I know of one Kickstarted project which began to do Pathfinder-based Sci Fi before SF was announced, then said they’d pivot to being a SF setting, then switched back when SF’s space fantasy approach became clear. I think it makes sense to have different d20ish approaches for sci-fi and for SF’s hybrid.
I obviously began my role play during the d20 boom and bust, so Dragonstar was something I admired for "space fantasy (basically D&D in space)" since I never played Spelljammer nor Star Frontiers, is this latter one also space fantasy?

Anyway, Starfinder as space fantasy is perfect since for space opera I already have FFG Star Wars and recently picked up Mongoose Traveller for harder edge science fiction. Bruce Cordell's most recent Cypher engine, "The Stars are Fire" is something I look forward to playing for alternative hard SF.
 
#29
...since I never played Spelljammer nor Star Frontiers, is this latter one also space fantasy?
No, Star Frontiers is SF using classes and levels, like Alternity.

Thinking about it, I don't have a default space opera game since the demise of WEG Star Wars. Traveller (of various types) has always been my default SF system, but I don't think I've ever played a space opera style game that wasn't SW.

Space fantasy has never really appealed to me (other than Star Wars again), which is odd. Might be I haven't found the right setting. Any suggestions?
 
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No, Star Frontiers is SF using classes and levels, like Alternity.

Thinking about it, I don't have a default space opera game since the demise of WEG Star Wars. Traveller (of various types) has always been my default SF system, but I don't think I've ever played a space opera style game that wasn't SW.

Space fantasy has never really appealed to me (other than Star Wars again), which is odd. Might be I haven't found the right setting. Any suggestions?
Warhammer 40,000 is space fantasy on steroids, and it comes with tons of lore on top of that. Does not get any better than that.
 
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Warhammer 40,000 is space fantasy on steroids, and it comes with tons of lore on top of that. Does not get any better than that.
I played a game of Dark Heresy once, and it was just Too Grimdark to take seriously. It's the same feeling I got from reading the 40k rulebook - so over the top it's like Paranoia.

(WFRP I was ok with, the medieval fantasy setting being pretty grim as standard for ordinary people.)

I guess I want my space to be at least a little optimistic, fantasy or not.
 
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I played a game of Dark Heresy once, and it was just Too Grimdark to take seriously. It's the same feeling I got from reading the 40k rulebook - so over the top it's like Paranoia.

(WFRP I was ok with, the medieval fantasy setting being pretty grim as standard for ordinary people.)

I guess I want my space to be at least a little optimistic, fantasy or not.
Warhammer 40,000 is my goto grimdark space fantasy.

For the heroic alternative, my goto is Star Wars.

And if I want a bit more pseudoscience and less fantasy but with Utopian ideals, the new Modiphus Star Trek sans "extended tasks" is pretty good too.
 
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