[watching] JJ coming to DCU?

Darran

Level 7 Blingmaster
#2
The DC Universe has been suffering as late, especially with the awful Superman films.
Perhaps JJ Abrams can turn it around but he is no Kevin Feige.
In fact anything that Bad Reboot touches has suffered. All glamour with lens flares and no substance. Just look at Star Trek and now Star Wars.
 
#3
Yes the recent DC films had heir flaws, but I wouldn't say they were awful. The only one I didn't like was Suicide Squad.

If you look through Abram's list of films, the vast majority of them were box office smashes, including all three Star Trek films, The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. But I did find his lack of lens flares disturbing in the latter two. ;) So he must be doing something right.
 

Darran

Level 7 Blingmaster
#4
If you look through Abram's list of films, the vast majority of them were box office smashes, including all three Star Trek films, The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. But I did find his lack of lens flares disturbing in the latter two. ;) So he must be doing something right.
Box office smashes?
Each one made less than the one before with Star Trek Beyond making a loss.

Star Wars: The Force Awakens was full of mystery boxes that The Last Jedi failed to build upon them. Plus it’s treatment of Luke Skywalker was very poor, it split the fandom and now Episode IX looks like it will even under-perform TLJ.
Solo made a $200M loss.
 
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#5
Let's go through each one shall we, disregarding Solo as JJ Abrams had nothing to do with that movie. Figures in dollars.

Star Trek:
Budget of 150m
Box office 384m

Star Trek Into Darkness:
Budget 190m
Box office 467m

Star Trek Beyond:
Budget 185m
Box office 343m

The Force Awakens:
Budget 306m
Box office 2 billion

The Last Jedi:
Budget 317m
Box office 1.3 billion

I cannot see any Box office flops there. Solo managed to break even at the box office but DVD and Blu-ray sales more than made up for it. All of these films benefited from merchandise sales and all were sold to streaming services. The Star Wars Sky Films deal that was recently announced netted Disney around 100m dollars.

Darran, just because you didn't enjoy them doesn't mean millions of other People did. Your opinion is you didn't like them, that's fine. It doesn't automatically make them box office flops as a result. The current trilogy is aimed at drawing in new fans to the franchise and not pleasing the old fans, who let's me fair, most are still moaning about the prequel trilogy.

Enjoy things for what they are and don't compare things to the past, otherwise you will be disappointed. Be grateful they are still making Star Trek and Star Wars films and television series. Firefly fans are looking on with envious eyes.
 

Darran

Level 7 Blingmaster
#6
Let’s do some movie maths here.

The gross box office that matters to the studios is the domestic box office of USA as that is the one they take 50% to 60% from.

The foreign markets only see the studios earning a small percentage from and in some, like China, they get very little back.

It’s the domestic box office that matters. It’s that market that the films are judged on.

Star Trek: Beyond lost money in the USA, that’s why the fourth film was scrapped.


Star Trek:
Budget of $150M
Domestic Box Office: $258M

Star Trek Into Darkness:
Budget $190M
Domestic Box Office: $229M

Star Trek Beyond:
Budget $185M
Domestic Box Office: $159M

Star Wars: The Force Awakens:
Budget $306M
Domestic Box Office: $936M

Star Wars: The Last Jedi:
Budget $317M
Domestic Box Office: $620M
 
#7
That’s not how it works, Darran. They do take overseas box office takings into consideration. A quick Google search revealed that.

What’s more, the fourth Trek film did not go into production for a number of reasons, with the main reason being Chris Pine demanded more money and declined to otherwise appear. Of course no deal was struck to get him back onboard. Christ, it was all over the internet 2018. No Kirk meant no Star Trek. Plus money is being poured into Quentin Tarantino’s R rated Star Trek project, and became the focus of attention, which is why ST4 was eventually shelved. The box office takings played very little in its cancellation.
 
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