[shopping] Temptation waits... what are you resisting?

Let's go for a big one - I shall continue to resist 5e D&D.

I'm aware that there are now a whole host of exciting settings being produced or kickstarted for 5e. For a new generation of gamers it is their introduction to our hobby, so I'm missing out on understanding the grammar of what they expect from a game.

My daughter largely plays 5e, so there has been a copy in the house - but she is moving out soon.

For context, I started with Holmes Basic in 1979, and have a 1st Ed AD&D collection (some that I've had from back in the early 1980s - some that I've bought on ebay in the last few years). I have bought into the OSR, partly out of nostalgia and partly that dungeon crawling can be an accessible game that doesn't require some of the emotional intensity of other RPGs. I've got Labyrinth Lord, Basic Fantasy Roleplaying, Hero Kids, Blueholme, King of Dungeons, Heroic Fantasy, and Lamentations of the Flame Princess. In other words enough D20 games to occupy a lifetime!

The question is can I continue to resist 5e long enough for the decision to become can I resist 6e?
 
Let's go for a big one - I shall continue to resist 5e D&D.

I'm aware that there are now a whole host of exciting settings being produced or kickstarted for 5e. For a new generation of gamers it is their introduction to our hobby, so I'm missing out on understanding the grammar of what they expect from a game.

My daughter largely plays 5e, so there has been a copy in the house - but she is moving out soon.

For context, I started with Holmes Basic in 1979, and have a 1st Ed AD&D collection (some that I've had from back in the early 1980s - some that I've bought on ebay in the last few years). I have bought into the OSR, partly out of nostalgia and partly that dungeon crawling can be an accessible game that doesn't require some of the emotional intensity of other RPGs. I've got Labyrinth Lord, Basic Fantasy Roleplaying, Hero Kids, Blueholme, King of Dungeons, Heroic Fantasy, and Lamentations of the Flame Princess. In other words enough D20 games to occupy a lifetime!

The question is can I continue to resist 5e long enough for the decision to become can I resist 6e?
The good thing about the 5th Edition Dungeons and Dragons is that you really do not need many books. Even Wizards of the Coast still just flogs the core three books (Players, DM, Monsters), with the rest being mostly settings. The optional sourcebooks for power players are Volo's Guide to Monsters, Xaanther's Guide to Everything and Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes, though none of these extra three are necessary for regular players.

And if you want a different experience from generic D&D5e, then Studio Agate, the creators of Shadows of Esteren have a truly wonderful self-contained and immersive experience with the Fateforge RPG.

On the otherhand, if you want to be really diverge from the core D&D5e experience, then games like Adventures in Middle-Earth and the new Trudvang Kickstarter do that, and they only require the totally free Basic D&D5e SRD, which you can bring out on Lulu (most of the simple art there is basically, ready for a black-and-white print run).
 

Dom

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I am currently resisting a second Chromebook - the new Lenovo Ideapad Duet. It's sub £300, with detachable keyboard, ARM processors and is a 10.1" tablet with a full HD screen. My work role is changing and I expect to be away at least twice a week (after the lockdown eases) and I want a device that I can both read RPG PDFs on and also do some writing. Only downside is that it won't output to a second screen.

I could get an iPad, but I'm likely to go for a Pro and that gets expensive. I could also get a MacBook Air, but at the moment this hits a number of sweet spots. And it can go to the kids if it doesn't prove to be what I want.
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https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/lenovo/student-chromebooks/Lenovo-CT-X636/p/ZZICZCTCT1X
 
Xanathar's Guide is needed for the Eberron setting.

Waiting to pick up a 2020 printing of the former as they've made changes and integrated errata.
Thanks for that. Though that is why I did not mention Eberron. WoTC has made D&D5e focus on the core three books with others nice to have, but not the primary selling point that WoTC has put into the product line. So different from the strategy of 3rd Edition or even the many TSR sourcebook of "Complete Everything" for AD&D2e.
 

Dom

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Thanks for that. Though that is why I did not mention Eberron. WoTC has made D&D5e focus on the core three books with others nice to have, but not the primary selling point that WoTC has put into the product line. So different from the strategy of 3rd Edition or even the many TSR sourcebook of "Complete Everything" for AD&D2e.
It annoyed me when I bought it, and I ended up putting back on the shelf and reading something else instead...
 
I am currently resisting a second Chromebook - the new Lenovo Ideapad Duet. It's sub £300, with detachable keyboard, ARM processors and is a 10.1" tablet with a full HD screen. My work role is changing and I expect to be away at least twice a week (after the lockdown eases) and I want a device that I can both read RPG PDFs on and also do some writing. Only downside is that it won't output to a second screen.

I could get an iPad, but I'm likely to go for a Pro and that gets expensive. I could also get a MacBook Air, but at the moment this hits a number of sweet spots. And it can go to the kids if it doesn't prove to be what I want.
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https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/lenovo/student-chromebooks/Lenovo-CT-X636/p/ZZICZCTCT1X
The chromebook has the advantage in that if something happens to it during play, you feel less stress than something happening to a very expensive iPad. ;-)
 
It annoyed me when I bought it, and I ended up putting back on the shelf and reading something else instead...
Sorry that happened to you. Paizo is the worst for this sort of thing, since that is how they monetize their books. I stopped investing in new Starfinder products because of the trap that if you get a new Adventure Path, you then need the Alien Archive 2, then the Alien Archive 3, with references to monsters scattered all across various books.

Pathfinder is same, hence, I am awaiting the Kingmaker 10th Anniversary Edition Adventure Path that is self-contained with the core Bestiary only, and can last years of Pathfinder 2nd Edition play.
 
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First Age

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I am now resisting the classic arthouse RPG of post apocalyptic horror: Degenesis.

It looks Tribe 8 sized awesome, PDFs are completely free online with an option to buy the books and to support them. Dedicated and keen community. Mind bogglingly beautiful art...

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Funky Stat + Skill D6 dice pool system, factions, insidious terrors, a devastated europe and the most gorgeous set of roleplaying special editions ever prepared for your investment:

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This is quite an adulting promo for the game....

 
I am now resisting the classic arthouse RPG of post apocalyptic horror: Degenesis.

It looks Tribe 8 sized awesome, PDFs are completely free online with an option to buy the books and to support them. Dedicated and keen community. Mind bogglingly beautiful art...

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Funky Stat + Skill D6 dice pool system, factions, insidious terrors, a devastated europe and the most gorgeous set of roleplaying special editions ever prepared for your investment:

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This is quite an adulting promo for the game....

The artwork is just so epic. A pity the game sort of died from popular play. The PDFs have been offered free online.

I was seriously tempted to run the game, but there is so much cool lore to study. Really, cool lore, though.

I believe I saw it at Patriot Games or Travelling Man but faced other temptations that were more well known so went for those.
 

Dom

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Sorry that happened to you. Paizo is the worst for this sort of thing, since that is how they monetize their books. I stopped investing in new Starfinder products because of the trap that if you get a new Adventure Path, you then need the Alien Archive 2, then the Alien Archive 3, with references to monsters scattered all across various books.
I will get XG and read Eberron, but it took it from the top of my list to midway down the pile.
 

Guvnor

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Let's go for a big one - I shall continue to resist 5e D&D.
The question is can I continue to resist 5e long enough for the decision to become can I resist 6e?
I'd resist until you play it. Even then you can play and run it easily with the free Basic Rules.
If you like Holmes, then you have the best retro homage to it.
LL and LotFP are the same game IMHO, and I never really liked B/X BECMI even tho it was the first game I ran and I ran it for 2 years.
1st ed AD&D? Why? However, all the AD&D adventures will run just fine with 5e or Holmes..
King of Dungeons is just an extended blog post IMHO, but it'd play well at the table since it's pared down 13th Age.
I think you have enough.. and I don't think there will be a 6e in the forseeable future, I think they will go evergreen.
 
Let's go for a big one - I shall continue to resist 5e D&D.
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The question is can I continue to resist 5e long enough for the decision to become can I resist 6e?
More Fateforge 5th Edition D&D goodness from Studio Agate:

Taiga people (goblins)

The goblins are especially widespread in the northern part of the Kaani continent, with a predilection for the vast tundra which descends to the borders of Kartaçöl. They are comfortable in this environment, just like in the pine woods of the mountains or near the steppe. They know medicinal plants, hunt or breed reindeer, and endure better in winter than others thanks to their fur which thickens from the beginning of autumn. Their culture is oral, because they believe they have more to gain by diving into the memory of trees and clouds than meditating on dead archives, engraved on tablets.


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This is quite an adulting promo for the game....
Yeah, in case anyone doesn't want to go to a website and see naked people, Degenesis will give you that. And seems very keen on being edgy.

There was talk of a second edition a couple of years ago, and I don't know whether that ever happened.
 

First Age

D&D h@ck3r and Hopepunk
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Yeah, in case anyone doesn't want to go to a website and see naked people, Degenesis will give you that. And seems very keen on being edgy.

There was talk of a second edition a couple of years ago, and I don't know whether that ever happened.
The game has already gone through a revision, so maybe it is there? Not sure, don't have the history on this one.

Interesting - yes adulting, but I was particularly picking up on the drug injecting. Each will pick out their own.

May yet get this to a table, possibly at a rather nervous arms' length. It is much more adult and hard than I usually gravitate to.
 
So I stumbled upon Dave Arneson's Blackmoor Campaign Setting, but it is pretty expensive. I do not know if I should plunge or now?
It is being challenged for my wallet by Kevin Kulp's Timewatch, a Kickstarter I backed only at the PDF level, since it is Gumshoe, not my favorite system. But Timewatch has a nice quirky concept of time travel built into the simple d6 mechanics of traditional Gumshoe. Choices, choices...

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