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Americans get very upset about the word "Oriental", though here in the Orient people much prefer it (it's "Asian" they don't like).
Interesting. Some LA folks whose streams I follow had that reaction, I think, and I was trying to work out whether I'd missed a memo.

Obviously 'Asian' is convenient handwaving for thoughtless westerners, but as it includes India, China and multiple points nearby it's certainly not recognising anyone's identity.
 

Dom

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Oh, was it 'Land of Ninja' or something, from the GW edition? Not sure whether I kept that or sold it.
No, they had no beef with that.

It was the heresy linked below: Eldarad - the Lost City. People bid a fortune in the auction and then it was immolated. They also didn’t like the other non-Earth non-Gloranthan setting either.

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Interesting. Some LA folks whose streams I follow had that reaction, I think, and I was trying to work out whether I'd missed a memo.

Obviously 'Asian' is convenient handwaving for thoughtless westerners, but as it includes India, China and multiple points nearby it's certainly not recognising anyone's identity.
Two countries separated by a common language.

I think that English-language roleplayers have to adopt US English approaches to words which cause offence, due to the overwhelming disparity in the size of the rpg community in America vs the rest of the Anglophone world, despite the fact that some of those words are used by communities outside the US to identify themselves or have little or no negative connotations here, because when we outside the US discuss rpgs in English we are communicating with American readers, so if we use those words they’ll inevitably understand them from their contexts where they are offensive or slurs or appropriating.

That said, the responses to OA are far more nuanced - and contain much deeper and more resounding criticism - than merely objections to the title.
 

Guvnor

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The criticisms of Oriental adventures are nuanced.
However, as is usual with American discussions about cultural appropriation they reflect America far less than the cultures discussed.

They are also very often completely unaware that there are many parts of the role-playing hobby that have addressed Oriental and Asian role-playing sensitively already. Viz, FGU Japanese games.
See the ridiculous outrage at Adele dressing up to go to the carnival in London.
 

First Age

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The criticisms of Oriental adventures are nuanced.
However, as is usual with American discussions about cultural appropriation they reflect America far less than the cultures discussed.

They are also very often completely unaware that there are many parts of the role-playing hobby that have addressed Oriental and Asian role-playing sensitively already. Viz, FGU Japanese games.
See the ridiculous outrage at Adele dressing up to go to the carnival in London.
Did you mean far more?
 

Dom

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Yeah. For someone who doesn’t do D&D I seem to be developing a collection.

At the moment I have one niggle with this. They haven’t put the map in the core text so it looks like I have to damage the book to get it out. That annoys me. Normally I’d print a big one on vinyl from somewhere like Mike Schley’s site rather than damage it.
 

Dom

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Just found the region map on p113. It's near illegible (Map2,1 Icewind Dale Locations). They've put it on a half-page. It needs to be a page really as the map is very cluttered. Disappointing for me as my head really needs to see a region to get a hold of it and how it interconnects.

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